tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post4862600730059587921..comments2024-01-14T00:48:22.175-08:00Comments on BAALS-2-the-WAALS: Why Chapterhouse Studios hurt the hobby and why we should defend Games Workshop.Kevinmcd28http://www.blogger.com/profile/06915604908609700895noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-89356501320866605552011-12-07T21:08:59.648-08:002011-12-07T21:08:59.648-08:00Nick I would ask you are you sure but I assume you...Nick I would ask you are you sure but I assume your nick of chapterhouse from the name, I apoligize if I made a mistake in my example but my main point gets across fairly well....btw I like your combi-weaponsKevinmcd28https://www.blogger.com/profile/06915604908609700895noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-42188856227509292262011-12-06T16:04:38.411-08:002011-12-06T16:04:38.411-08:00It is amazing how little thought and research went...It is amazing how little thought and research went into this post..<br /><br />Chapterhouse Studios has never made a wolf or thunder wolf type model among other critical points..nick-chapterhousestudios.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14591930239425154726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-21866293768118524442011-12-06T11:04:54.472-08:002011-12-06T11:04:54.472-08:00I find the contention that Chapterhouse would sue ...I find the contention that Chapterhouse would sue GW for "infringing their IP" somewhat laughable- GW is a corporation immensely larger than Chapterhouse and with far, far greater resources to draw upon, and in a battle of IP law, that's essentially what it boils down to: who can throw money at the case for longer. GW will win that, every time. Now, it will be costly and unpleasant for them, but it would drive Chapterhouse under to attempt it, so they have a pretty strong assurance that it wouldn't happen.<br /><br />This is further exacerbated by GW's lack of interest in producing models for some figures; certainly, it's understandable that this happens, and I'm fine with that, but to then turn around and blame 3rd party manufacturers for filling a hole that GW created? I'm sorry, I don't buy that. GW likes making double monies off people converting figures; I'm fine with that. Heck, I like converting, so I'm extra-fine with it. But not everyone wants to do so, and if a sufficient demand exists, someone will attempt to satisfy it. It happens in plenty of other industries- Apple is not dying because someone else made a generic iPod cover. GW will not die because someone else made a CombiMelta.<br /><br />If some other large company were jumping to market and stealing away GW's unmade models and then litigating it? Yes, I would be pretty pissed. But that isn't what is happening here- GW is letting things languish for years (Tyranids still lack models for... two of the four most common units in the book) and other companies are quietly slipping into the backwaters of the internet to provide what Big Daddy does not.<br /><br />This doesn't mean Chapterhouse are a bunch of angels; in fact, they kind of strike me as tools. But I don't see what they're doing as illegal, immoral, or harmful to the hobby.AbusePuppyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07413248837734103198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-62744765752908984062011-12-06T09:29:18.468-08:002011-12-06T09:29:18.468-08:00The hobby as you call it existed before GW and wil...The hobby as you call it existed before GW and will be here long after they are gone. Game stores will adapt, players will find new games to play. If their entire business model is based around one game then they desrve to go out of business. <br /><br />At my local store, GW product is languishing on the shelves because no one plays. The last price hike drove people to Warmachine and Hordes which is thriving at the local shop. He cant keep product in stock. <br /><br />Games Workshop can drag their feet all they want on new releases because they know the fanboys have no choice but to wait. If you dont like their practices then let them know with your dollars. Theres a whole world of games out there beyond GW.chuckhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07516546913402429733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-55900390577545876272011-12-06T07:06:35.245-08:002011-12-06T07:06:35.245-08:00I have to agree with Rob. GW has no problem relea...I have to agree with Rob. GW has no problem releasing almost all of the Dark Eldar and Grey Knight lines in a timely manner.<br /><br />What really made me mad was that I cheaply made spore pods for my nids planning on buying the official kits when they came out. In the mean time I was told I couldn't use the pods I had made in GW tourns(ie Ard Boyz), but had to buy Space Marine ones and convert them. Really?Matt Hoellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15720058911348791433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-7465168070303363582011-12-06T06:20:55.700-08:002011-12-06T06:20:55.700-08:00No, but would prefer all models to be released wit...No, but would prefer all models to be released within a 6-9 month window. <br />(Possibly excepting special characters, because they can usually be made from existing kits easily)<br />If GW then wants to a later release, then do a terrorgiest style WD release.Rob Godinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02047172047022791309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-12861099420931874442011-12-06T05:52:15.649-08:002011-12-06T05:52:15.649-08:00@ Rob Godin. Would you prefer Gw not realase a new...@ Rob Godin. Would you prefer Gw not realase a new codex because all the models are not ready?Englishkid3https://www.blogger.com/profile/00422391997835052172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-52504466239638635532011-12-06T04:23:19.463-08:002011-12-06T04:23:19.463-08:00First, I wonder what the reason for GW's origi...First, I wonder what the reason for GW's original delay in producing new models for the Tyranid Codex? <br />The codex was released in Jan 2010. <br />What is an acceptable delay time between model release waves? How about 3months? 6months? 9months? <br />Chapterhouse first released their own model in November with a Mycetic Spore. 11 months later. <br /><br />What were GW hoping to achieve by this long delay in model release? If it was to force me to convert the model, then after a year, force me to buy the official model, therefor forcing me to effectively buy the model twice?<br /><br />I would feel better for GW if Chapterhouse had jumped on their IP gap within a couple of months. That would not have been fair. But GW left it about 2-5months too late in my opinion (as a Tyranid player). <br />GW screwed me by not releasing the model in a sensible time frame. Chapterhouse freed me by releasing the models they wouldnt. <br /><br />How long have Nid players been waiting for model releases? What about Space Wolf players waiting for some thunderwolves to appear? <br /><br />Lets take this away from GW for a second and use a hypothetical. <br /><br />A well know and respected hypothetical washing machine company releases a new washing machine. It publicizes how much it can do. The adverts show how it can do an express wash in 10mins, or wash and dry a king size duvet in just 1 hour. <br />The public love it, and buy the machine. However, in the small print it had that the express wash would require an extra "wash accelerator" to be sold separately. Also, the king size duvet function would require a "expansion kit", again to be sold separately. Oh, and neither extra part is yet available. <br />Its all legal, because it is mentioned in the small print. <br />But it screwed the customers who bought the washing machine for those purposes. <br />So if after 11 months, a rival company started selling 'wash accelerators" for these poor customers - who is the bad guy? The rival company for making money off the hypothetical company, or the hypothetical company for not releasing these parts in the first place?<br />Who would the customers blame?Rob Godinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02047172047022791309noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6515454463270943871.post-55326403686534571562011-12-06T00:27:13.211-08:002011-12-06T00:27:13.211-08:00The thing that actually pissed me off the most abo...The thing that actually pissed me off the most about Chapterhouse was that a few years ago they showed up on Bartertown asking about the legality of selling Salamander shoulderpads and Thunderhammers. Many people explained the how complicated IP law was and how litigious GW had to be to protect their IP according to European laws. The brushed the advice off and said they had lawyer friends and were looking for a fight.<br /><br />Then they got sued and sang a VERY. DIFFERENT. SONG.<br /><br />They make good stuff and have quite a bit of inventive product that is more supplemental than it is GW replacement. I just wish, like you'd mentioned, they had their heads on straighter about challenging IP directly.Massawyrmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12249019033635535954noreply@blogger.com