Hey all, I know everyone is out using the limited points and rules we have now to try and get ahead of the chaos curve but lets step back and think a moment. We all know some of the basics in the army now and have some actual points costs.
This book allows a crazy ammount of customization which is pretty cool. Yet we see a general overcosting of a decent daemon prince and the rise of the extremely cheap Mastery level 3 sorcerer at 110 points. Whether you go with Nurgle or Slaanesh is personl taste (one of each for me please). We also see some changeups in the costing we thought we knew of cultists which is fine. Yet the ammunt of customisation is pretty cool. But I am down on the fact Dark Apostles are not 1-3 elite per choice and are instead HQ's.....but hey it wasnt in the real codex and all the hype we did get will probably be not true and met with disapointment. But we do have access to some pretty cool knew toys
BTW some of the new models such as the apostle, helldrake, and DV chaos are all fairly cool looking but seriously who the hell got drunk and melted the mutilators face? The daemon engines also look fairly uncool. Why not make them like the extremely awesome forgeworld daemon engine that thing is boss....but meh what can you do? So I have a mixed stance on the new models
BTW THESE are still way better than the GW Oblits
Anyway on to the main discussion....the curious case on whether or not to go and buy three forge fiends or to leave them on the shelves. Up front who does not want a daemon engine with a 5++, it will not die, 3 HP's and EIGHT S8 Ap4 shots? Looks good on paper right?
Well looks like a great target to me. The high presense of space wolves with long fang missile launcher packs, as well as missiles and other anti light armor weapons still hanging around makes me think twice on these guys. Are they really that much better than a psyfleman dread? And it is still a vehicle....
It is BS3 so chances are only half of those shots will hit which is the same ammount a normal psyfleman dread. Since it is AP4 it will not kill marines all that well. Sure 3-5 wounds is probable but is the investment worth 2 dead power armored models really worth the investment. Also, unless I am mistaken and correct me if I am wrong, we do not know the points cost. A defiler is suppose to be almost 200 points and what will stop this from being the same for a high priority target that can die in one shot?
Yet it still is statistically better than a psyfleman...but not a venerable one which is more equivilent in probable cost. Yes it can heal hull points and yes it can boost itself one turn to reroll wounds and armor pens (a very nice ability) but how can we keep it alive for more than two turns and is it really better than a healing vindicator who now suffers less from weapon destroyed nerfs via healing and random allocation if it takes a twin linked bolter and/or havoc launcher? Vindicators are also probably much cheaper and AV 13, something hard to kill when plasma is way more common than melta. Also with flak missile launcher havoc marines why not those guys? Defilers also have more hull points so why not them? Now 70 point oblits seem more survivable as well....so what to do?
Personally I lean towards two vindicators and a squad of oblits until I see forge fiends working. Also as a side note I am taking a couple blobs of cultists but what troops do you see working. I am a man of balanced lists so I will mix it up a bit....
So what are your thoughts? Will these guys be the new psyflman or will they just look good on paper and flop in the real tournament scene? I have my chaos army ready and am about to pre order the book from my FLGS (support your FLGS btw and preorder through them and not through GW itself! You are more likely to get it on the date!)
more on this later....